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	<link>http://charbonniers.org</link>
	<description>A blog on consciousness by Janet Kwasniak</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 18:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Neural correlates of beauty by Marlana Farabee</title>
		<link>http://charbonniers.org/2012/04/29/neural-correlates-of-beauty/#comment-70742</link>
		<author>Marlana Farabee</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 22:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://charbonniers.org/2012/04/29/neural-correlates-of-beauty/#comment-70742</guid>
		<description>Thanks for your article. it's brilliant and everyone should read it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your article. it&#8217;s brilliant and everyone should read it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Separation of memory and belief by Katie</title>
		<link>http://charbonniers.org/2012/03/24/separation-of-memory-and-belief/#comment-65859</link>
		<author>Katie</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://charbonniers.org/2012/03/24/separation-of-memory-and-belief/#comment-65859</guid>
		<description>I am currently learning about memory in my psychology class. I do find this article to be very interesting and true. My professor always says that we, as humans are good at believing things that we want to believe and remembering things we want to remember, even if they are not true. A human being's memory does not act like a camcorder, but instead it is actively constructed. This means that people actually organize things and encode them. The misinformation effect is a great example of this and occurs when people's memories are skewed by misleading information from others. The last thing I want to add that may contribute to this is schema distortion, which is a result of someone who is unsure filling in the "missing pieces" with information that may or may not be true. I didn't realize that I have done this until after learning about it. The mind really does work in mysterious ways!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently learning about memory in my psychology class. I do find this article to be very interesting and true. My professor always says that we, as humans are good at believing things that we want to believe and remembering things we want to remember, even if they are not true. A human being&#8217;s memory does not act like a camcorder, but instead it is actively constructed. This means that people actually organize things and encode them. The misinformation effect is a great example of this and occurs when people&#8217;s memories are skewed by misleading information from others. The last thing I want to add that may contribute to this is schema distortion, which is a result of someone who is unsure filling in the &#8220;missing pieces&#8221; with information that may or may not be true. I didn&#8217;t realize that I have done this until after learning about it. The mind really does work in mysterious ways!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Heart and brain by Mados</title>
		<link>http://charbonniers.org/2012/03/30/heart-and-brain/#comment-65703</link>
		<author>Mados</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://charbonniers.org/2012/03/30/heart-and-brain/#comment-65703</guid>
		<description>That sounds very interesting! It could be an illusion inspired by symbolic meanings associated with the heart, but the heart &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; feel like a very 'emotional' organ. E.g. sadness, chock, anger, love, tenderness, empathy feel like it 'hits' in the heart and then spreads to the brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds very interesting! It could be an illusion inspired by symbolic meanings associated with the heart, but the heart <em>does</em> feel like a very &#8216;emotional&#8217; organ. E.g. sadness, chock, anger, love, tenderness, empathy feel like it &#8216;hits&#8217; in the heart and then spreads to the brain.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why mislead people? by Mihai Martoiu Ticu</title>
		<link>http://charbonniers.org/2012/03/15/why-mislead-people/#comment-63103</link>
		<author>Mihai Martoiu Ticu</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://charbonniers.org/2012/03/15/why-mislead-people/#comment-63103</guid>
		<description>I think I start to believe that the Santa is a big Nigerian scam. I'll really have to stay awake and check out whether he really lands on the roof. By the way, it's nice that the Earth was put at the center of the Universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I start to believe that the Santa is a big Nigerian scam. I&#8217;ll really have to stay awake and check out whether he really lands on the roof. By the way, it&#8217;s nice that the Earth was put at the center of the Universe.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why mislead people? by Lili Marleaux</title>
		<link>http://charbonniers.org/2012/03/15/why-mislead-people/#comment-63028</link>
		<author>Lili Marleaux</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://charbonniers.org/2012/03/15/why-mislead-people/#comment-63028</guid>
		<description>Our options- limited to those the future will allow- makes it appear that what happens next limits what happens now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our options- limited to those the future will allow- makes it appear that what happens next limits what happens now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The intelligence divide by Mados</title>
		<link>http://charbonniers.org/2012/03/12/the-intelligence-divide/#comment-62733</link>
		<author>Mados</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://charbonniers.org/2012/03/12/the-intelligence-divide/#comment-62733</guid>
		<description>First: I haven't read the article yet (can't open the link due to my ### Internet connection) but I find the topic very inspiring and will write my thoughts on it anyway - Hope that is OK.

Quote: "But it does indicate that dogs do not have a different sort of intelligence or a huge different in amount or they would not be so good at reading us."

I think dogs have a very different way of thinking compared to humans. They have evolved to respond to human emotions and intentions due to human selective pressure. Wolves and dingos (even when brought up as dogs) don't have that ability, although they too have excellent co-operative skills and ability to read body languages. Not just other wolves but other animals' as well. They need to... predators that hunt like wolves do need to be able to read the emotions and predict the behaviour of prey animals, and since wolves/wild dogs are opportunistic and versatile hunters, they need to learn to read many different kind of animals to be successful.

Also, a wolf pack's social structure is almost identical to a typical human family: parents in charge (the alpha couple) and then off springs from various years. 

Still with all these similarities, I don't think dogs think as much like humans as many humans think... People are projecting and humanising dogs because they are lazy, as you say.

I also think humans could understand dogs better if they tried. I am quite confident that humans have also evolved under selective pressure to read dogs, at least in many parts of the world, but that is pure speculation: because I can see how massively dogs can improve the efficiency of hunting, herding and protecting families and villages. It would make sense if communities where working dogs were an integrated part of the culture had a higher survival rate &#38; prosperity than communities where they weren't, prior to modern time.

As I said, that is pure speculation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First: I haven&#8217;t read the article yet (can&#8217;t open the link due to my ### Internet connection) but I find the topic very inspiring and will write my thoughts on it anyway - Hope that is OK.</p>
<p>Quote: &#8220;But it does indicate that dogs do not have a different sort of intelligence or a huge different in amount or they would not be so good at reading us.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think dogs have a very different way of thinking compared to humans. They have evolved to respond to human emotions and intentions due to human selective pressure. Wolves and dingos (even when brought up as dogs) don&#8217;t have that ability, although they too have excellent co-operative skills and ability to read body languages. Not just other wolves but other animals&#8217; as well. They need to&#8230; predators that hunt like wolves do need to be able to read the emotions and predict the behaviour of prey animals, and since wolves/wild dogs are opportunistic and versatile hunters, they need to learn to read many different kind of animals to be successful.</p>
<p>Also, a wolf pack&#8217;s social structure is almost identical to a typical human family: parents in charge (the alpha couple) and then off springs from various years. </p>
<p>Still with all these similarities, I don&#8217;t think dogs think as much like humans as many humans think&#8230; People are projecting and humanising dogs because they are lazy, as you say.</p>
<p>I also think humans could understand dogs better if they tried. I am quite confident that humans have also evolved under selective pressure to read dogs, at least in many parts of the world, but that is pure speculation: because I can see how massively dogs can improve the efficiency of hunting, herding and protecting families and villages. It would make sense if communities where working dogs were an integrated part of the culture had a higher survival rate &amp; prosperity than communities where they weren&#8217;t, prior to modern time.</p>
<p>As I said, that is pure speculation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Folk neuropsychology by TheCellularScale</title>
		<link>http://charbonniers.org/2012/03/06/folk-neuropsychology/#comment-62407</link>
		<author>TheCellularScale</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://charbonniers.org/2012/03/06/folk-neuropsychology/#comment-62407</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have never really thought about all those common phrases using brain and how they actually convey specific images of what the brain is.  Do you think that this is a problem, as in it is actually fostering incorrect assumptions about the brain? or do you think it is just an interesting thought about language?&lt;br /&gt;
I particularly love "I'm going to give you a piece of my brain" ... ew. no thanks.&lt;/p&gt;

JK: Thanks for the comment. My opinion is that you cannot have language without much of it being metaphor. No metaphor – no communication of new ideas. They are born, get old and become fossils. Brand new ones have brand new meanings, they become conventional so the meaning is still there but is losing its power and then finally we not longer see it as a metaphor. “Take heart” would have gone from an encouragement to be brave and embracing life with heart being a metaphor for life and courage, then it would slowly become a stock saying and finally we say “take heart” without even thinking about a beating heart. It is only relatively new metaphors that have the power to affect how we see the world. So I would think that some metaphors are fostering incorrect assumptions, some are fostering more correct assumptions then we had, and some are just interesting quirks of language that no longer affect our thinking in a figurative way but only in a literal way. Thanks again for commenting.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never really thought about all those common phrases using brain and how they actually convey specific images of what the brain is.  Do you think that this is a problem, as in it is actually fostering incorrect assumptions about the brain? or do you think it is just an interesting thought about language?<br />
I particularly love &#8220;I&#8217;m going to give you a piece of my brain&#8221; &#8230; ew. no thanks.</p>
<p>JK: Thanks for the comment. My opinion is that you cannot have language without much of it being metaphor. No metaphor – no communication of new ideas. They are born, get old and become fossils. Brand new ones have brand new meanings, they become conventional so the meaning is still there but is losing its power and then finally we not longer see it as a metaphor. “Take heart” would have gone from an encouragement to be brave and embracing life with heart being a metaphor for life and courage, then it would slowly become a stock saying and finally we say “take heart” without even thinking about a beating heart. It is only relatively new metaphors that have the power to affect how we see the world. So I would think that some metaphors are fostering incorrect assumptions, some are fostering more correct assumptions then we had, and some are just interesting quirks of language that no longer affect our thinking in a figurative way but only in a literal way. Thanks again for commenting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Deliver me from bullshit by Mados</title>
		<link>http://charbonniers.org/2011/06/24/deliver-me-from-bullshit/#comment-60347</link>
		<author>Mados</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 04:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://charbonniers.org/2011/06/24/deliver-me-from-bullshit/#comment-60347</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They can’t think of anything original so they use the ‘only humans can x’ hook.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Authors who use the ‘Only humans can x’ hooks always receive an automatic cancellation of their potential credibility in my eyes. As you say, many of the hooks have been disproved (and counting), and many others are likely to disproved or at least, can not be proved.

As to the statement that animals don't need to keep themselves busy if they have shelter and food, I will explain it to my dogs. They'll be reassured that they won't again be dragged along on all these unnecessary walks and jogs in the wood, dog training and plays in the park since I now know they'll be just as happy to sleep all day long (otherwise I can just drive them to the pound*).

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*Just kidding, in case of doubt... 
Anyway my point is that the author expresses lack of theoretical knowledge of &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; practical experience with animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They can’t think of anything original so they use the ‘only humans can x’ hook.</p></blockquote>
<p>Authors who use the ‘Only humans can x’ hooks always receive an automatic cancellation of their potential credibility in my eyes. As you say, many of the hooks have been disproved (and counting), and many others are likely to disproved or at least, can not be proved.</p>
<p>As to the statement that animals don&#8217;t need to keep themselves busy if they have shelter and food, I will explain it to my dogs. They&#8217;ll be reassured that they won&#8217;t again be dragged along on all these unnecessary walks and jogs in the wood, dog training and plays in the park since I now know they&#8217;ll be just as happy to sleep all day long (otherwise I can just drive them to the pound*).</p>
<p>&nbsp;<br />
*Just kidding, in case of doubt&#8230;<br />
Anyway my point is that the author expresses lack of theoretical knowledge of <em>and</em> practical experience with animals.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Creative running by Neuroskeptic</title>
		<link>http://charbonniers.org/2012/02/20/creative-running/#comment-59257</link>
		<author>Neuroskeptic</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 07:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://charbonniers.org/2012/02/20/creative-running/#comment-59257</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmm, interesting idea, but it doesn't ring true for me. I do a lot of running and I can't say I ever have ideas when I'm running. On the contrary my mind goes into a kind of running zone in which I'm not thinking about anything very important. I find that &#60;i&#62;after&#60;/i&#62; a run my mind is rather clear and this can certainly help the creative process but I'd never have said that running itself did that. So I guess it's different for different people.&lt;/p&gt;
JK: Thanks, useful to know.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, interesting idea, but it doesn&#8217;t ring true for me. I do a lot of running and I can&#8217;t say I ever have ideas when I&#8217;m running. On the contrary my mind goes into a kind of running zone in which I&#8217;m not thinking about anything very important. I find that &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; a run my mind is rather clear and this can certainly help the creative process but I&#8217;d never have said that running itself did that. So I guess it&#8217;s different for different people.</p>
<p>JK: Thanks, useful to know.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Control of attention by Sara Raboin</title>
		<link>http://charbonniers.org/2012/02/17/control-of-attentional/#comment-58981</link>
		<author>Sara Raboin</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://charbonniers.org/2012/02/17/control-of-attentional/#comment-58981</guid>
		<description>What an interesting site!  Definitely will be adding this to my reading list!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting site!  Definitely will be adding this to my reading list!</p>
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